Investment Chart Kondratiev Wave

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Showing posts with label demographics. Show all posts
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Thursday, 15 March 2012

Amlan Roy(2): the demographic trend of PE’s


Yesterday Amlan Roy was in and enthusiastically he commented in very high pace every chart of his 70 page presentation.
The most popular chart probably is the expected development of the PE of the S&P500 according to the relative development of age cohorts. When you believe this our pessimistic Kondratieff chart ill be too optimistic (the decline will last longer).
The decline of the PE’s will be caused by retired baby-boomers selling ever more desperately their equities to the much smaller younger saving age cohorts.

Amlan Roy thinks just like me that the decline of the PE’s will be smaller because people will have to work to a higher age and will sell equities at a higher age than the Miller Modigliani Doctrine prescribes to get a less miserable income at their old day.

Siegel thinks it will not be that bad because foreigners will buy US equities at a very big scale. There is no choice for foreigners, they have to buy US assets as long as the current account is negative (by economic definition that is true). Foreigners until now choose overwhelmingly for fixed income with its very low interest rates, but the preference can go more into the direction of equities. At the moment you can buy equities that are maybe safer than government bonds with dividend yields of 3 to 4% like Exxon and McDonalds. That looks a lot more attractive than 10 year treasuries with their paltry yield of 2%.

By the way, the correlation between relative development from cohorts of relative dissavers versus savers is not so strong in Europe. That is because the elderly in Europe don’t possess as many equities as in the US, so their liquidating of equities will not hurt so much.

Amlan Roy (1) demographics: the G6 and the Netherlands


There are lots of differences in the demographics of the western countries. You have the hopeless cases of Japan, Germany and Italy where the fertility rate keeps decling to the no sex please levels, the population declines and where the young can expect to pay at least 78% taxes in some years when the promises of retirement income care etc. remain the same (what of course will not be possible).

The US scores best in all categories, then the UK, France and the Netherlands. The countries with rising fertility rates are not necessarily doomed.
But according to Amlan Roy it is completely clear that the Eurozone is doomed to disintegrate because the demographics of some countries are unsustainable. Greece ranks number 1 in demographic unsustainability: it is an illusion that Greece will pay somewhat back of the new € 130B help. Also Italy, Germany and and even France will have big problems to pay for pensions, healthcare and other care.
So the Netherlands have to leave the Eurozone as soon as possible and must join the UK in a pound zone.